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Boneyard Spleeneater · Mar 22, 2009, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Greetings,

I am trying to clear out my inventory of mostly worthless weapons and mods, so I am going to make all my warrior heroes into the three basic Hero builds from wiki (Hammer, Sword, and Axe). I figure I'll Make all my Koss into Sword, Jora into Axe, and Goren into Hammer (just because that sounds cool). Those builds seem like nice generic builds, and I don't use W heroes often anyway.

That being said, the Hammer build calls for a Sundering or Vampiric Hammer of Fortitude with 15^50. The other two don't specify. Since the Hammer and Sword builds use Enraging Charge and Flail, would it be worth it to use 15^Stance rather than use my 15^50 mods? They would often be in one stance or another during combat anyway, and I have tons of the DwD sitting around. The SaH are a little harder to come by (although I farmed two this weekend), so I would rather save those for my main toons, or sell them and buy mods for my caster toons.

Is there really that much of a difference on a hero?

Thanks.

Improvavel · Mar 23, 2009, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Heroes are generally good at keeping flail up unless they can't get adrenaline, so its a solid choice too.

15^50, 15% while in stance and even 15% while enchanted if you have someone with strength and honor or orders will work.

The most important mod really is the +30 health.

Sundering is an ok choice for heroes since they can't swap weapons but playing with vampiric weapons will do more damage in the long run. Degeneration can be annoying but if you have skills like [[there's nothing to fear], [[protective was kaolai] or [[life] it won't matter much.

Just make sure they have max damage weapons with +30(or close) health and customize them.

P.S.: The only warrior hero I would bother though is hammer ([[Earth Shaker]), since melee heroes have dodgy AI.

Shayne Hawke · Mar 23, 2009, 12:39 AM // 00:39

If you don't use the melee heroes, and I don't see why anyone would, then you'd probably be better off selling the mods for their weapons and buying upgrades and stuff for the heroes that do actually see the light of day.

distilledwill · Mar 23, 2009, 12:57 AM // 00:57

Mantra of Strength and Honor:
"If you're below 50% health enough for it to be a problem, you're doing it wrong."

Boneyard Spleeneater · Mar 23, 2009, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Yeah, I can't imagine giving a vampiric weapon to a hero.

I intend to give my hammer heroes perfect +30, cos hammer mods don't sell for crap. The Sword and Axe will probably end up with +29 and 19(20), since I can actually make a few bucks off of perfect sword and axe mods.

As for how often I use my heroes, well, there are those few missions where they are indispensable (or necessary). Also, I have so damned many weapons clogging up my mules that I got stuff to burn.

I actually made a spreadsheet with my inventory, and I got stupid amounts of stuff that I need to get rid of. Stuff I thought was hard to come by that I actually have a half dozen of, simply because when I mule it, I forget about it. I figure its time to equip all my heroes and toons, then I can merch everything that isn't saleable.

Daesu · Mar 23, 2009, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by Boneyard Spleeneater

Yeah, I can't imagine giving a vampiric weapon to a hero.

I intend to give my hammer heroes perfect +30, cos hammer mods don't sell for crap. The Sword and Axe will probably end up with +29 and 19(20), since I can actually make a few bucks off of perfect sword and axe mods.

As for how often I use my heroes, well, there are those few missions where they are indispensable (or necessary). Also, I have so damned many weapons clogging up my mules that I got stuff to burn.

I actually made a spreadsheet with my inventory, and I got stupid amounts of stuff that I need to get rid of. Stuff I thought was hard to come by that I actually have a half dozen of, simply because when I mule it, I forget about it. I figure its time to equip all my heroes and toons, then I can merch everything that isn't saleable.

I made a spreadsheet too. I have already done the hammer, axe, sword distribution as best as I can although sometimes you have more swords than axes or the reverse. I even let my heroes use the vampiric mods. You just need to make them /Mo and add mending to their build.

Don't worry you wont ever use them anyway. They are just my extra storage and I keep upgrading them whenever I find better mods/inscriptions. All my heroes are equipped.

Silverwarp · Mar 23, 2009, 03:38 AM // 03:38

I'm curious though, would you substitute a +5 Defense mod for a +30 or +29 HP Health Mod on heroes? I have way too many Defense mods and not enough health mods.

One good thing to use the heroes for is holding your alternate weapons for your PvE character.

Boneyard Spleeneater · Mar 23, 2009, 03:55 AM // 03:55

I only have one PVE W, and she is mostly an Axe W. I use a sword occasionally, and am developping sets for that. I figure a few sets is all I need. At most I will need one sword and one axe set for her, and ditch everything else.

Seriously, I have four mules on two account, plus two mules on my main account full of crap, plus all my main toons with little room to spare. I am getting ready to go through in the next couple of weeks and clear house. Most of it is worthless, so I figure on equipping my heroes (which after making the spreadsheet, I have found are woefully underequipped), and merching most of the rest. Whatever else is worthwhile I may keep, or else spam trade. If I make more toons in the future, I will just buy/farm stuff for them.

I would guess a Defense mod is ok. +29 mods are great for heroes too. Anything that isn't perfect is ok for heroes, since you can't really sell them.

zwei2stein · Mar 23, 2009, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by Silverwarp

I'm curious though, would you substitute a +5 Defense mod for a +30 or +29 HP Health Mod on heroes? I have way too many Defense mods and not enough health mods.

Yes. In PvE, armor mod is solid choice if you do not have access to enough health mods. It certainly beats not having mod in that slot at all.

As for weapon mods, 15^50 is best: you are not going to spend much time on low health and if you change builds to be stanceless (unlikely on warriors, but likely with other weapon users), you will not have to get new weapon or loose those 15%

Paul Dawg · Mar 28, 2009, 05:57 AM // 05:57

Great answer here--covers everything you need to know.

One thing heroes tend to do pretty well is maintain enchantments, so if you have a hero who is using them (such as a dervish), the +15% while enchanted may be your best bet.

I know everyone likes sundering, but I'm not at all afraid to give a hero a vamp weapon; when you're not in combat, your healers should be able to keep his bar up, and when you are in combat, the fighter will do vicious damage with vamp. But I tend not to use physical heroes because they're generally less useful, and if I have a ranger or something, I find zealous is often the only viable choice.

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Originally Posted by Improvavel

Heroes are generally good at keeping flail up unless they can't get adrenaline, so its a solid choice too.

15^50, 15% while in stance and even 15% while enchanted if you have someone with strength and honor or orders will work.

The most important mod really is the +30 health.

Sundering is an ok choice for heroes since they can't swap weapons but playing with vampiric weapons will do more damage in the long run. Degeneration can be annoying but if you have skills like [[there's nothing to fear], [[protective was kaolai] or [[life] it won't matter much.

Just make sure they have max damage weapons with +30(or close) health and customize them.

P.S.: The only warrior hero I would bother though is hammer ([[Earth Shaker]), since melee heroes have dodgy AI.

Super Igor · Mar 28, 2009, 09:11 AM // 09:11

I would use stance stuff, it is cheaper and theyre in a stance all the time anyway. :P

Elephantaliste · Mar 28, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

vampiric mods for heroes = no natural regen
might burn monk energy between fights

Elephantaliste · Mar 28, 2009, 03:03 PM // 15:03

vampiric mods for heroes = no natural regen
might burn monk energy between fights

Elephantaliste · Mar 28, 2009, 03:04 PM // 15:04

vampiric mods for heroes = no natural regen
might burn monk energy between fights